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The word “Coronavirus” strikes fear when we are ill-informed or confused about preparation. But once we begin thinking through the organizational implications of Coronavirus planning, we will begin to settle down, build, and work that plan.
You can successfully move people, short or long-term, to work remotely. But you will be far more successful with a plan and a process, than by simply sending people home and crossing your fingers.
This webinar will cover ways to prepare for working remotely as the COVID-19 virus has caused many organizations to close offices. Presenter and best-selling co-author of The Long-Distance Leader: Rules for Remarkable Remote Leadership Kevin Eikenberry will also host an extended Q&A session to answer all of your pressing questions about preparing for remote work.
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Hi everyone and welcome to today’s webinar, Planning Overcomes Panic: How to Prepare for Remote
Work, hosted by HRDQ-U DQU and presented by Kevin Eikenberry. My name is Sarah and I will
moderate today’s webinar. We’ll have an extended webinar session today lasting around an hour and a
half to answer your pressing questions. Please type your questions into the question area on your
GoToWebinar control panel and we’ll answer as many as we can during today’s session. And for any that
we’re unable to get to, we’ll answer those after the session by email. Today’s webinar is sponsored by
HRDQ-U Consulting. Are you looking for live, interactive training classes delivered right to your learners,
wherever they are? HRDQ-U’s virtual instructor led training classes allow your learners to keep the
training, teamwork, and communication going from a distance. Real time interaction between
instructors and classmates provides a powerful learning experience. The performance improvement and
cultural shift you need. Learn more at www.hrdqu.com/consulting. I’m excited to introduce our
presenter today, Kevin Eikenberry. Kevin is a recognized world expert on leadership development and is
the chief potential officer of the Kevin Eikenberry Group. He has spent more than 25 years helping
organizations and leaders from around the world on leadership, teamwork, communication and more.
He has twice been named by inc.com as one of the top 100 leadership speakers and top 100 leadership
management experts in the world.
He is the author, coauthor, or contributing author to nearly 20 books, including the best selling
remarkable leadership, From Bud to Boss with Guy Harris and The Long Distance Leader: Rules for
Remarkable Remote Leadership with Wayne Turmel. It’s an honor to have you speaking with us today,
Sarah, it’s my honor. I’m glad to be here. And so after all that long introduction, it may seem strange
what my first slide is going to be everybody, but I want to make sure you understand why me
specifically, because all that nice stuff that my mother wrote for Sarah to read, it talks awful lot about
leadership, but I want to talk very specifically about why me for this session, because I have been doing
this work for a long time and I am the co-founder of the Remote Leadership Institute. I’ve worked with
and helped thousands of remote leaders as well as leaders working together. I lead a remote team every
single day and I’m here to help. It was just eight days ago, I’ll say more about that in a second that Sarah
and I, that we decided we were going to do this webinar and so we are super glad that you’re here. And
we know that your job title might be anything from manager, senior manager, director, team leader,
frontline leader, VPC level, we don’t know.
Maybe your title is something else, but what we do know for sure is that you’re here, you raise your
hand to be here, because you got some stuff going on around work today, which of course is no big
surprise given the world that we live in at this moment. But we’re super glad that you’re here and I’m
ready to spend time sharing some ideas with you, giving you some tips and strategies and skills. And
then as Sarah said, answering your questions. I will stop, excuse me a couple of times along the way, and
Sarah will share some questions, but we will at the end, sort of free for all, take whatever questions that
you’ve got and I look forward to doing that as well. Where are we headed? Where we’re headed today
is, well, first of all, what you were promised, which was that we’re going to help you building a work
from home plan, giving you some … What are the remote work tools that employees need so they can
be successful working remotely? How do we help our teams work together successfully when they’re no
longer actually together? And ways to prevent your team from panicking about all that’s going on, and
we’re going to answer your questions. We’re actually going to do a little bit more than that before we’re
We’re going to give you what I call a lagniappe, and if you know anything about Cajun, that means a
little something extra before we’re done. All that was promised and a little bit more before we’re done. I
want to start with the first rule from our book, The Long Distance Leader. I think it’s an important place
for us to start today, and the first rule in that book is this, of the 17 or 18 or 19 rules in the book. The
first rule is, “Think about leadership first and location second.” What I want you to do first is to
remember that you’re already leading, you know something about it, and not everything has changed.
Though much has changed, not everything has changed. And you know a lot of things already that will
work about leading. We’re going to talk about the nuances, the big, important differences that take
place now, but I want you to start with a place of some sense of confidence in the current chaos. And as
I said a minute ago, a lot in the world has changed in the last eight days since I reached out to Sarah and
we had a conversation and we talked about doing this webinar. Think about it, eight days ago, I thought
right now on this day, on a Friday, as we’re doing this live, that I might be watching college basketball.
And I haven’t thought about college basketball in several days.
The world has changed a lot and so this webinar has been changing in terms of exactly what I’m going to
deliver to you, because I want to deliver it to you what’s relevant at this moment, on March the 20th at
2:00 in the afternoon, Eastern time, because this isn’t just about a plan to move to remote work. It’s not.
It’s about more than that, and it isn’t even just about the team. I want to talk about the elephant in the
room. The elephant in the room is all of this stuff that you’re thinking about, about everybody else,
absolutely 100% applies to you, right? Here’s what I know, I don’t know where you’re from, I don’t know
the nature of your business, I don’t know a lot of things, but I know that right now, and you’re here, that
you’re uncertain, you’re stressed, you may be fearful, you’re worried, you’re frustrated, you’re probably
exhausted, and I don’t know what else you’d add to the list, but some or all of this is true, right? It’s
important for us to recognize that, because we’re asking of ourselves and it’s being asked of us as
leaders to move this team forward, to make massive shifts in the world that’s shifting all around us.
And while all of this is true for us, it’s also true for our teams. All that stuff that you’re feeling, everyone
on your team is feeling. And of course not everyone’s feeling the same thing. Everyone has their own
story about what’s going on in their lives right now and everyone’s in a slightly different place and some
people aren’t as worried about this as others, and yet everyone’s got emotions and issues and
frustrations, and if the only ones they have are about now I have to work at home, if that’s the only one,
it’s still significant. It’s important for us to start here with the idea that leadership isn’t all about you. In
some of our work, we talk about this idea that what we call the three O model, that leadership is about
outcomes. As a leader, we are responsible for moving the team towards a desired place to something
valuable in the direction of something we don’t currently have.
We are responsible for outcomes. We are also responsible for and need to help others reach those
outcomes. Leadership is about outcomes and others. The third O is us. Ourselves. Who we are plays a
role in how successful we are with the other two. And so while that’s always true, it’s never been more
true than right now. We have to think about the center O, about ourselves. And so you must take care of
yourself right now. And maybe that’s the most important thing that you need to hear during this call, is
that you need to have permission and recognize that you need to take care of yourself, because if you
can’t be at your best or even close, you can’t possibly help your team be at their best or even close. Let
me just say a couple of more things about this in terms of starting with ourselves, if I could, and the first
thing I would say is you got to do all the stuff your mom taught you, right? Keep eating well, right?
Exercise, get a good night’s sleep, wash your hands.
We know that we ought to do that stuff, and maybe you’re not doing one or more of those things. Do all
the stuff mom taught you and you need to take a breath and you need to take a break and you need to
find someone that you can vent to, and that’s not your team. You probably need someone to just say,
“Get it out and share it and move on.” And I have lots of clients that have been emailing me and wanting
to call and talk to me to do exactly that. You need that, because you need that so that you can be at
your best and so you can refocus so you can help everybody else. I would just say that when I first …
When Sarah and I first started talking about doing this webinar, everything I’ve just said I wasn’t
planning, didn’t know I’d have to talk about. And yet if we close this webinar down right now, which
Sarah doesn’t want me to do, but if we close this down right now, it would be worth what you’ve chosen
to invest. You need to do that. I hope that you will. And I hope that everything else we talk about as we
go, you will see how it connects back to where we’ve just started.
Having done that, take a breath and as we move into maybe sort of where we originally planned to
start. And so I want to ask a question. We actually have a poll for you. I want to know where your
organization is, because we’ve got a lot of people. And by the way Sarah, I win, just for the record. We
got a lot of people on this webinar right now and we don’t know where you all are in terms of your work
in your movement towards remote. Sarah, can you put up that poll right now. You can see there are five
choices. I can’t see them right now. Can you read them Sarah?
Yes. We have some responses that are coming in. We’ll give people a couple moments here, Kevin, to
cast their vote and then I’ll share the results.
Perfect. Yeah, we just want to know where your organization is, because that’ll help me in the time that
we have left and it’ll, I think, be interesting to everybody else who’s on the call.
Okay, great. There we go. I have now shared the results. Kevin, can you see those?
Only if I open it. Now I can see it. Now I can see it if I put on my glasses. Everyone else can see it too,
yes? Where are we? Well, we’ve got some in and some out until now. We’ve been remote for a while,
11%. Lots of us have moved in the last couple of weeks. Some of us are moving soon and some of us are
still thinking about it. And so I really didn’t know where this would come down and so it was hard for me
to decide how to do these first couple slides, because again, when we put this together, the whole idea
was planning for the panic. Most of you are past that, so we’re going to shift a little. We’re going to do
everything you promised. We’re going to shift a little bit. Thanks for that. And I’m going to go back to the
slides. Where are we? It depends a little bit on where you are in that planning and communication
process, right? And clearly most of us have moved or are moving, and a few of you are still thinking
What I want to do right now is specifically around planning and communication. The initial part of this
change, for those of you that have a specific question about that, again, we’re going to get to all kinds of
questions later, but if you have a specific question about that, about where you’re at in that, please type
that in. I’m going to take a sip of my tea and then Sarah give me any of those questions that we have,
Sounds great. Kevin, we have a question coming in here from Charles and he would like to know how
often should we be communicating with our teams?
A lot, and we’re going to talk about it. That’s a great question, Charles. We’re going to definitely talk
about that a little bit later, so I’ll just say, “Hang on, we’re going to get there,” but I will say this much for
right now, probably more than you’re used to. I’ll start there, but we’ll say more about before we’re
done. Any others?
Kathleen would like to know, should communication come from a central area at a certain time?
I think that depends a lot on your organization. How big your organization is, what the existing culture of
your organization is, about where people are used to getting communication. If you’re in a large
organization and maybe there are some sort of corporate communications, those probably need to
continue to happen, but if that’s where you’re at, the reality is there’s probably more communication or
reinforcement or more specifics that need to come from supervisors, frontline leaders, or division
leaders or whatever that would be in your organization, right? Leaders of leaders. There may be some
high level stuff that needs to happen and that ought to probably be happening and continuing to
happen, but you probably need to be looping in your leaders that are lower and encouraging them to
continue the communication. But remember, communication isn’t just sending, it’s also conversation.
Especially the closer we get to folks that are making the move, the more that this needs to be something
other than a PowerPoint and more about a conversation, as well. And I’ll say more about that in a little
bit as well. Any others? Maybe one more.
We had a question from Lynn and she asked how much actual work can be expected with students at
home with parents, other parents at home trying to work, et cetera. Will they consider lowering their
Again, I must be cosmic. I’ve got that question answered. We’re going to talk more about that later too
and I’ll just share, I wish I had it up. I would share part of it. One of my clients sent me an email
yesterday that said, in part, “The deadlines haven’t changed. Everything’s the same. I don’t know how
we’re going to make this all happen. I’m home. I’ve got five kids. One of them is a two year old. She
doesn’t recognize mommy’s working. My husband’s working in the same room. We’re trying to figure
this all out. My house is a disaster. My kids are about ready to lose their cool.” I’m getting it close to
what she said to me and I know that that’s where many people are, and so as leaders, we need to
recognize that that’s where people may well be. Even on my team where I think I already said that, I
already have a remote team. I only have a couple of folks that are now working from home that used to
come to this office, where I am now, and three of my team members are dealing with that, where their
young children are now at home with them and it’s changed. Even for them, that’s certainly changed.
Even though they were already used to working remotely, it still makes it harder.
We’re going to talk more about that later, but I would say this as leaders, especially if you’re more like
my age, then your kids might be older and you might not be thinking about that. That’s real. And again,
we’ll talk more about it before we’re done. I guess one more. Sarah, any other ones [crosstalk
Mary asks, how many communication channels should you use?
Hey, a lot. We’re going to get to that too. I’m going to go ahead and go on, because I hate to just keep
putting people off, so we just won’t ask them right now Sarah. But listen everybody, please keep putting
in your questions as we go, because we’ll keep Sarah busy giving them to me later, okay? Let’s actually
talk about tools. It’s one of the things we promised we would talk about. Let’s start by talking about text
tools, if we can, and there are text-based tools that we already know that this first part of the slide,
you’re going to say, “Kevin, I already know this.” There’s email, there’s instant messages, In our
organization we use Slack. You might use Microsoft Teams, you might use any number of things, and
you’re probably sending text messages. And listen, you know that there are limitations to these, right?
Let me tell you, you’re already using these in the workplace.
They’re going to get used more now and we already know that there are limitations to them, big
limitations to them, because for one thing, none of them are really good at conversation. Right now,
instant messages and texts are a little different, because they have the feeling of being a little more
synchronous if both people are available. But there are limitations to them, because while we mostly
have are the words we don’t have … Let’s just back up. Communication. What is communication?
Message sent, message received, message understood. And the way our messages are understood come
in three basic categories, the words we say, how we say them, and how we look. And while there are
things that we guess or surmise in an email to get tone, how we say it, or to get the visual, how they
look, we don’t really have those things. And so by definition, a text-based tool is limited. And so we use
it all the time, and we’ve got to be careful. I don’t know if you know this, but for the first time in human
history, for the first time in human history now, today, not just today, but in this time in which we live,
it’s the first time ever that 70% of communication happens via text or via words as opposed to being
And it’s a challenge. It’s limited. There are limitations. Should we use all of these channels? Of course we
should, and we need to set some agreements on how and when we use which one. And so we’re going
to talk more about expectations as we go, but we need, as leaders, to work with our teams to say, when
are we going to do which one and how are we going to use them? And I want to start by giving you
some very specific tips on email now. Now, these were things that always would apply, but especially if
you’re just now moving to remote, these are more valuable than ever. The first thing is, how many times
have you ever sent it … Well, let’s just do it this way. You’ve sent an email … Backup. Someone’s sent
you an email and you didn’t respond right away, and then they send you another email saying, “Did you
get my email?” Or they text you and say, “Did you get my email?” Or they call you and said, “Did you get
my email?” You’ve had that happen, right? Maybe you’ve been on the other side of that and you’ve
done it. Why does that all happen? It happens because people may have different expectations about
how quickly people will respond to emails, so we need to have clear expectations about that. To the
question about I got three kids around me and I’m not used to that.
Maybe I can’t respond to emails quite the same frequency or quite the same way. I might even suggest
that we should manage our email a little differently now in this case, but if we don’t talk about that and I
don’t understand why Sarah’s not replying to me or why Charles isn’t replying to me, then I’m going to
get frustrated and all the sorts of bad things are going to happen, right? Here’s the other thing, once
people are working at home, they never leave work. The work is always there for them and for you and
so you got to be really careful about what you do and your example here. In part, if you’re sending
emails at odd hours and you don’t expect people to respond at those same odd hours, you need to talk
about that, especially as the boss. You don’t talk about that, people are suddenly going to say, “Well
Kevin sent a email at eight o’clock at night.
Kevin’s sending email at three in the morning,” which I did this morning to people on my team, if they
don’t know that that’s not expected to reply immediately, I’ve had that conversation with my team.
Every once in a while, I will … I try hard not to, but every once in a while, for some reason I’m sending
email at very strange times, but I’m not expecting them to reply immediately, to drop what they’re
doing, et cetera. We need to set clear expectations with each other about how we’re going to respond,
when we’re going to respond, and we got to be careful about our own example on this. And while this is
also always true, it’s more true than ever when people are now working from home, because before
what would happen is we might send an email, then when we’re in the coffee room, we’re saying, “Hey,
I don’t know if you knew this, but I thought I’d fill you in on this. I didn’t put you on the email, but …” But
now, people feel like you got to put everybody on every email. Maybe not. I would just encourage you
to encourage your teams and yourself to take more care about who you’re copying on individual
messages because it will just help everybody manage it more.
Chances are, if you’re taking people remote for the first time right now, which like a third of you are
doing or just have done, the email volume is going to go up and that’s not necessarily what we want in
some cases. I also want to encourage you to use what I call the three message rule. All of you have been
on an email like this. The third or fourth email happens and it just gets worse, right? It goes downhill.
Conflict begins. Miscommunication grows, frustration grows. You’ve been there, right? Here’s the three
message rule, when we get to the third message in an email, if it’s not resolved, someone needs to pick
up the phone or someone needs to fire up their webcam. That needs to happen, because email …
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… to fire up their webcam. That needs to happen because email friends is not good for conversation and
yet we try to use it and people are going to try to use it more so that way now if they’ve just gone
remote. I strongly encourage you to consider what I call the three message rule. My team knows it and if
it’s happening, it happens in our instant message too. I’m like, someone needs to pick up the phone or
I’m calling or let’s get on the webcam or whatever because we’ll get done faster with less conflict, with
less frustration, better communication, faster. We think it’s faster to do email. We know it isn’t always.
So just we could… This session is not about email, right. But I felt like there was a few things we ought to
just talk about that we know changes when that time, when this change is going on.
Here’s… There’s other tools obviously as the question was what tools should we be using? Of course,
here’s one our phone. You should be using your phone probably more than you were using it before.
Again, we can have closer to real conversations on the phone. We’ll talk more about that before we’re
done, but make sure that you use the phone more and by all means use this webcam more if you can.
Again, a lot more about that in just a sec.
And you all now have, if you didn’t before, have some sort of web platform like go to webinar, like
WebEx, like Adobe Connect, like Zoom. I could keep going. You’ve got one. You may have more than
one. If you have multiples in your organization what you need to do is settle on which one you’re going
to use most and we need to make sure that everybody knows just like in a meeting situation, what
meeting room are we meeting in. Physically, what virtual room are we meeting in if we’re doing it here.
Your web platform like this can do pretty much everything we can do in a regular meeting. There’s a
white board, people can raise their hands. You can do nearly everything. Excuse me, that you can do in a
face to face meeting virtually. So you’ve got them. Use them. Learn how to use them better and
encourage the rest of your team to use them by your example. And I’ll say more about that before we’re
done as well.
But I want to talk about webcams for just a second, because not everyone has a lot of excitement about
the webcam. And the first thing I will say, and I’ve heard this this week, some people say, “Well, we’re
not wanting people to use our webcams because we’re worried about bandwidth.” Okay, real, if that’s
real for you in your organization, you’re bringing people in to a VPN, and they’re really all going to still
be on the bandwidth that you were on before in the office I understand that.
So you got to be careful when the bandwidth allows. But let me just say this, and again, there’s policies
in your organization about all this. So I’m not trying to override what you’re actually doing, but there are
ways around that too, right? Because you got two people working from home on their own internet and
they can have a Zoom call without going into the corporate internet if they need to want to. And again,
I’m not telling you what to do or saying I’m not giving you permission. If your organization says
otherwise and there are options that you might consider that you haven’t thought about in the past. If
you’ve got bandwidth challenges, I understand, I get that. And if we use our webcams, we get better
communication. Let’s just think about this for a second. First of all, you’re as old as me. [inaudible
00:26:31] probably are.
You might remember some commercials that AT&T used to run for long distance phone service where
they said it’s the next best thing to being there. Well, guess what? The best richest communication is
face to face, one-on-one across the table or desk. The next best thing to being there is this webcam. And
so just think about this particular session that we’re in right now. Now it’s one way, one to many, many,
many of you. I’m not seeing you, but you can all see me and is… Just ask yourself this question. Is this
more effective because you can see me? Now, you may not be looking at me all the time and that’s fine
and you might say, “Well wish she looked better.” That’s also fine, but is my countenance, is my body
language helping the message get across and I don’t think there’s any question that it’s changing the
communication hopefully for the better.
Our webcams will help us improve communication. Every organization I’ve ever worked in, said, “We
need better communication around here.” That doesn’t get better automatically when we’re remote.
One of the things that we can do is use our webcams more when we can. Next thing when we use our
webcams, they help build or maintain relationships and trust, both of which are going to take a hit when
you go remote. Both of those things can be managed and they will be challenged if we don’t take
actions. We’ll say a little bit more about that again, as we go. Everything we’re talking about today is
hooked together for sure. Okay. So I’m encouraging you use your webcams now and some of you are
sitting there with the big old button in your head like Kevin, you just don’t understand. We’ve got people
that are resisting this.
Maybe you’re saying, “I don’t want to use my webcam.” You’re saying, “Kevin, Kevin, I don’t like to look
at myself in the webcam. You listen, I’m working from home. I got the ACDC tee shirt on. I’m not… Or
the Taylor Swift tee shirt. I don’t know. I’m not interested. I don’t want to be seen. I’m working from
home now. I’m in my PJ’s. I didn’t take a shower this morning.” And I can say, “Let go of all that. First of
all take a shower, right?” But beyond that, there are issues here that are mostly ego there in our own
head. We need to let go of them. No one else is worrying about it near as much as you are. Let it go.
Encourage your team members to let it go. Second is that people have issues about the background. “I
don’t want people to see my workspace. Man it’s a mess here. I got the kids all around here. It’s like a
zoo around here.” All of that stuff.
There are ways to deal with the background stuff. I’m going to tell you that later on I’m going to give you
a place, appoint you to a free resource that goes a lot deeper and this whole webcam thing and helps
people make the webcam, their friend and I’ll point you to that before we’re done, I promise. Okay, but
here’s the thing. If you are buying into what I’m saying and you want your team members to do this,
guess what? You got to go first. Go first. Be the one that says, “Hey, let’s do this on a webcam.” And by
the way, when you’re having your one on ones with folks that we’re going to continue to talk about as
we go through this our time together, I’m going to definitely encourage you to use these webcams for
those whenever possible. Be the one to go first if you’re not doing it, they’re not going to… Yes, Sarah?
Just to interrupt you really quick so you could maybe clarify to the group. We did have a question come
in that asks, when you use the term webcam, does that equate with platforms like Zoom and WebEx, et
Yeah, I’m just saying because you can be on Zoom and not be using your video and you can be on WebEx
and not be using your video. So I’m saying when I’m saying using the webcam, I’m saying turn it on so
we have access to video. That’s what I’m saying. Thank you. That’s a great clarification, right.
And I happen to have a webcam here that’s exterior to my laptop, but most people probably have one
that’s attached to their laptops if you’re using laptops and so use them and yeah. So that’s taking place
in one of those tools right? Inside of Slack, which takes you to Zoom, in Zoom, in WebEx, in
GoToMeeting, GoToWebinar, GoToTraining, all that. Yes, absolutely 100%. does that answer the
Yes, thank you Kevin.
You’re welcome. All right. So what are some of the challenges I promised we’d talk about challenges that
you’re facing if you’re new at this and some of you the 11% of you that have been doing this a long time
are probably going to nod your head and you may still be dealing with some of these challenges even
So first of all, when you people move remote or when they are remote, they feel disconnected from
each other and disconnected from the big picture. They don’t feel like they know what’s really going on,
right? Because what’s happening is now we’re isolated from each other and so we feel like someone
might probably know stuff that we don’t know. We’re out of the loop. We’re disconnected from each
other. When we came to the office, we said, hello, we talked about the ball game. We laughed over the
coffee and now we’re not doing any of that anymore. At least not until we’re done here you will be able
to. So people feel disconnected from each other. They feel disconnected from the big picture. They lack
information or think they do. They’re not getting the feedback that they want or need probably. They
might not have before but it’s probably going to be even less now.
And again, they lack their personal connection. And that’s so important. Even if you, and even if
members of your team are introverted and say, “Man, I don’t need to come out of my… I can be
sheltered in place for the next month and I’ll be happy.” We all still need some interaction. We see need
some personal connection. We need to feel connected to others and the amount of that need and the
type of that need might be different for different folks. It’s important. And as leaders… And guess what,
people may not talk about it, may not know how to talk about it, might not be able to describe it or put
their finger on it. It doesn’t mean it’s not true. More challenges because there were more than that. As I
said earlier, trust is going to take a hit.
Relationships may take a hit and communication is going to be different and harder. We’ve already
talked about that a little bit. So all of these are challenges that you are likely going to face if you’re not
facing them now. And so you.. They’re all things you need to start taking into account and accounting
for. And I’m going to be… As I continue to go, I’m going to be addressing many of these, but if you have
specific questions about one of these that I don’t address, of course that’s why we have the extended Q
and A. Okay. So keep.. You and I’s job is to make Sarah’s job heart by giving her lots of questions. Okay.
All right. So this morning I write a daily email to a lot of leaders and folks around the world starting next
week, five days a week. It’s been four days a week.
And this morning I wrote about this idea here and I thought I’d share it with you. And the idea was that
we’ve been talking a lot over the last few weeks about this thing called social distancing, which I’d never
heard of until recently. It’s all we talk about now is social distancing. And I think it’s a mistake. Not
because we shouldn’t try to contain the virus and keep people from getting sick. I’m not saying that, but
we shouldn’t be thinking about social distancing. We should be thinking about physical distancing. About
trying to create social closeness.
Your people are now physically distant or soon will be, that’s true. They’re working at a distance, that’s
true. Part of what we need to try to do is to create social closeness because social closeness can happen
regardless of distance, right? That’s where we need to try to get… I mean, all I need to do to tell you that
is someone that you’ve gotten reconnected with because of social media that you haven’t seen in a long
time, but you now feel closer to than ever because of that social media.
We can create social closeness even in a time when we need to have physical distance and we’re
working at a distance and I challenge you and encourage you and urge you to think about that. So I want
you to also remember this, that as the leader of the team, you are also a member of the team, right?
You wearing two hats, you’ve got your leader hat and you got your team member hat. And so all of
those challenges that we just talked about, you were thinking about them in terms of the challenges
your team members are having. But chances are you’re facing them too, not just as the boss but as a
member of the team. So we need to realize and be okay with recognizing that. And so then the
challenge becomes how do we help the team as the leader given all of that.
So now I want to get into some very specific tactics that you can apply to help. And I think I’ve got five
on this list of things to do now. And let me just lay them all out quickly and then we’re going to dive into
each of them a little bit more. So the first one is thoughts and feelings before tasks. The second one is
be a model. The third one is set clear expectations. The fourth is check in regularly and the last one is
grant everyone some grace. Oh, what’s he saying about all those things? Well, I’m going to dive in each
one. Let’s do each of them one at a time. First one, thoughts and feelings first.
Remember I was telling you earlier about the email that I got from a client, all those issues that she’s
dealing with, the reality that she’s living in. She didn’t send that email to me expecting that I would have
an answer for her. She sent that email to me hoping that I would listen, hoping that I would
acknowledge her, hoping to feel heard. One of the things that happens as leaders is oftentimes we’re
afraid to bring up topics that we don’t have answers to, so we’d rather let them just sit there and
hopefully they’d take care of themselves rather than bringing them up because we don’t know how to
answer them. And we think as leaders, we’re supposed to have the answers. Listen, you’re not going to
have all the answers right now. What your team needs is for you to hear them. They don’t want
They want your ear and they want your attention. So I strongly encourage you to think about how you
can show up and ask, listen and acknowledge people. They don’t need answers, they need
acknowledgement. And that’s not just about the work, although the work is certainly part of it. We need
to create what some people call psychological safety. And there are many of you on this line and many
more that are going to watch this on a replay. And here’s what I know. Not every organization has the
same level of psychological safety. Some of you have organizations where it’s not safe to share issues, to
be both vulnerable, to ask questions. And if that’s true for your organization, this is going to be even
harder and even more important. But what we want to try to do now is make it safe and okay for people
to say, “Man, I’m stuck. Man this is hard. I’m trying to balance all this stuff with my kids and the news is
on and my spouse’s in the same room and they’re driving me crazy and they need someone to talk to
And so what we as leaders need to do is let that stuff come out, give them a voice to that. Let them be
heard and allow for venting but not allow for complaining. What’s the difference? Well, part of the
difference is length of time, right? If venting is people say, “Man, this is hard. This is a struggle. I didn’t
think was going to be this hard.” That’s venting. Complaining is when they say it five times. Well they
keep talking about it or they don’t let go of it at all and want to keep talking about it. That’s complaining.
I’m not suggesting we should take our whole day to let people complain.
I am suggesting we need to give people the chance to vent, to share, to say, to get it off their chest.
That’s important. It’s necessary. And as leaders we can do that and we can allow for venting and we can
allow people to vent and then we can say, “Okay, now what are we going to do with that? Or how can I
help? Is there something I can do to help?” And sometimes they’re going to say, “No, but you helped by
letting me say it.” “Fine, we can move on.” So when you do these things this… I am doing my very best
to do this with my team in every conversation in these current days, even though our team was already
largely remote because of all this other stuff that’s going on in the world, right? Trying to do this first
might just be a minute or two.
I’m doing that check in. Then we’re talking about the work, then we’re talking about the tasks. Then
we’re talking about the to do list. Then we’re thinking about the project. I’m not saying we take all day
to do the first three, but I’m saying if we go directly to the transactional stuff, it’s going to cause us
problems down the road. It’s like shaking up the soda can with no way for the pressure to come off. So
here’s what we know about remote work already without all of the new issues we got. What we know is
this, is that conversations and interactions become far more transactional, right? You’ve done this,
you’ve called someone on the phone and say, “Hey.” Or you sent them an email or something and say,
“Hey, I don’t want to bother. You don’t want to take too much of your time. I know you’re busy, but I
need this.” And so it’s transaction question, answer question, answer transaction. What we need is
more than just transaction. We need interaction and not just transaction.
We need to create interactional communication and not just transactional communication and the
things that I’ve just shared are some of the ways that we can do that. Notice I’m still saying we got to get
to the work. We’re going to say more about that before we’re done. We’ve got to get to the work. I get
that. I’m saying we got to think about how we go about this and maybe to the earlier question Sarah
shared, maybe we can be flexible. Depending on the work we’ll get to that in a bit. Before we go onto
the next piece of advice, Sarah, I’m going to take a drink of my tea and see if you’ve got any like pressing
questions that you think I really need to take at this moment.
Okay, that sounds great. Shannon asks how do you create psychological safety, particularly in a company
that doesn’t have a lot of it?
Shannon that’s a great question. So first of all, you’ve got to decide as a leader that you want to create it
and you have to recognize too that while there’s always an organizational culture, there’s also a culture
that you have with your folks and because all the culture is, is the way we do things around here, and so
there’s actually an advantage… Opportunity. It’s not an advantage. There’s an opportunity that you have
right now because everything else is changing. And so you can go to your team. Assuming this is true,
I’m going to just state something as if it were true. And since you asked the question, Shannon, I’m
guessing it would be true for you. Hey team, this is all hard. This is all uncharted water. None of us had
been here before. I want you to know that if you need to talk, we can talk.
I want you to know it’s not going to go anywhere. I want you to know that it’s safe for us to talk about
the things that are being hard for us right now or the mistakes that are getting made. Like it’s okay. And I
know that that may seem foreign to you and you may not believe me, but test me on that. I want to
make it as safe a place as possible for us right now. So the point that I’m making is while that would
necessarily generally be easier face to face than in other ways, you have the chance to open that door
right now and you have to be patient. So, first of all, you’ve got to be ready with your behavior, which
means when you’re on your webcam with someone, you’re on a Zoom call with someone, right? And
they share that stuff and you kind of roll your eyes like, well you just lost your psychological safety
because they’re not going to share it again.
So as long as you’re open to work on getting better at it yourself and you offer that and are patient with
it, it’ll start to change. If you do what we said on the earlier slide, by asking those questions, trying to do
those things first, you will slowly start to build it and that will become one of the hallmarks of your new
Whether you ever move back to the office or not. So thanks for that question Shannon. I appreciate
that. Keep logging those questions sarah. We’ll get back to them. Next. So you’re all wondering like do I
know Sarah? No, Sarah and I have worked together two or three times. This is the second webinar we’ve
done together this week. So we’re actually an example of working remotely, aren’t we, Sarah?
And so we’ve actually had a little fun this week together and I’m not going to ask her to share because
that wouldn’t be fair and I might not like her answer, but I would like to hope that she would say that
I’ve been doing some of this stuff with her that I’m saying that we ought to do with our teams even
Yes, I enjoy working with you Kevin. [crosstalk 00:44:37]this week.
Thank you. So that was not meant to do that, although I’ll take it any chance I get, right? So, okay. So
here’s the next thing. We’ve got to be a model. I was thinking earlier today about the Gandhi quote that
says, “We must be the change that we want to see in the world.” If we want things… If we want there to
be more psychological safety, we got to go first. We’ve got to be the change. We’ve got to do the things
that we want to see our teams doing. Guess what? Your teams is watching everything that you do.
I mean, you knew that was true before, right? When you saw them in the office. They’re paying
attention to what you do, what you don’t do. When you do things, when you don’t do things, how you
say it, when you send an email, consciously or not, people are paying attention and you are their model
and they’re following your lead more than you realize. It’s scary, but true. It’s still true when we’re all
remote, 100%. and so we’ve got to make sure we’re modeling.
I always tell leaders this, you’re already a role model. The only question is, are you modeling what you
want them to repeat or not? Be the change you want to see in the world. If you want to have people
have a different attitude, then you need to be making sure that the attitude that you’re sharing is the
one that you want reflected. I have often asked people…
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I have often asked people this question, is enthusiasm contagious? I’ve asked it in groups large and small
and everyone will nod their heads say, “Yeah, enthusiasm is contagious.” Guess what? So is the
opposite. And I’ve often shared next, and maybe it isn’t appropriate now, and say, “Well which virus do
you want to spread?” And I apologize for using that metaphor, but it’s an apt one, actually. That
whatever attitude we have, the way we’re viewing the world, the approach that we’re taking, is making
a difference for our team.
If you look at the attitude of your team, it’s often a mirror reflection of yours. It’s not the one you want?
You need to be modeling it differently. Never has that been more true than it is right now. Never is that
more true than when you first send your team remote, because you’re going through all the same stuff
as them. How are you managing it? More specifically, what about using the tools? Are you using them?
Are you changing the way you use email? Are you including less people? Are you picking up the phone?
Are you using the tools the way you want them to use them? Or are you just telling them to do it?
Because they’re going to follow your lead and then we just need to be making sure that we’re
encouraging people and that if we’re hearing what some people on the team are doing to make things
to go better. We ought to be sharing those best practices. We ought to be recognizing what people are
figuring out and sharing that with others and be encouraging others and be a model of doing best
practices for everyone. We’ve got to be a model.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but everything I’ve said so far, you say, well that would all be true for us
except for very specific things like webcams. Well that would all be true before and it’s just more true
now. And the answer would be yes. Remember the rule number one, think leadership first, location
Next big key here is clear expectations. Again, we absolutely need clear expectations when we’re leading
our teams, and yet too often that isn’t as clear. People don’t really know what is expected of them. And
you’re saying if you’re in that third or so of the group that is saying, well, we’re just now going here. It’s
actually almost half of you that either have just moved, or are about to move, to this. And you’re saying,
well, how can I set clear expectations of what I want from them because we’ve not done it yet?
So set them as you go. It can be a work in progress. That’s okay. Just tell people it’s a work in progress.
Hey, I want us to have clear expectations about how we’re going to work together. Neither of us quite
have it figured out. Let’s figure it out together as we go and let’s clarify those expectations and how
we’re going to do it, as we go. People will love your transparency about that in and of itself.
In order to set any clear expectations, you have to be clear yourself first and then you have to help
transmit that to them so it becomes clear to them. And so the first thing is your team members are not
paid to read your mind. They can’t read your mind. So you’ve got to get clear about what you want, get
it written down and talk to them about it. You can’t get clear expectations without doing that.
Some of this though, maybe right now we’ll figure it out as we go. But here’s what’s always true when
we go remote,~ and that is that even if your team members were doing well and were very clear on
their expectations when they were in the office, they knew the what of the expectations. But once we
move remote, we now have to think about the how expectations. How are we going to do it?
The hows likely change once we go remote. And so while people may know what, which is the quality of
this report and the timeliness of this report and I got to get this report done and all those things, the
hows probably change. So we’re going to talk about that. So when you think about setting clear
expectations once your team is remote, it’s not just what, it’s how.
All right, next. A big part of that is communication. And so think about your medium. Which mediums
are we going to use? If you have expectations about that, talk about it. Hey, we’re going to use these
tools for these things and these tools for these things, and please don’t use your text messages unless X,
Whatever they are, once you’ve figured them out for your working situation, make them clear to
everybody. And then certainly of course, the frequency with which we’re going to communicate. And
again, more on that to come, but clear expectations about what that looks like is key.
Next, set clear expectations. I keep coming back to these tools because we’re being asked to use tools
we didn’t use before. Remember that middle? We’ve got this whole idea we got to mediate everything
through technology now. And so we’ve got this in between link that we’ve got to make sure we’re taking
So what are the expectations about tools? What are your expectations about webcam use, et cetera?
What are your expectations about when we’re sending emails, when we’re not sending emails, et
cetera, et cetera? And by the way, we need to be setting expectations with individuals. Sarah and I can
have conversations about expectations, both directions. Both if I’m the leader and she works for me, but
what does she expect of me in return? That would be important.
But we also need to be thinking about this for the entire team. So we need to be thinking about this, not
just expectations one-on-one, but expectations across the team as well. And that’s one of the things I’d
encourage you to be doing, is having a conversation about some of those things with the group. If you
haven’t got them all figured out, it’s okay, you’ll get there. But only if you start thinking about it and you
start talking about it. You start working on it.
Here’s one of the single most important things you need to remember when you’re now leading
remotely, and that is that intention becomes far more important. Because think about it this way, even
though I’m about to tell you on the next slide, check in regularly. I’ll just change there, so you know it’s
coming. Even though I’m about to say we need to check in regularly, if everyone was in the office and
now they’re not, you are not going to have as many communications with them as you did before.
You’re just not. Which means what? Every one has greater weight. Every communication is more
important because there’s fewer of them. So we need to be more intentional, more conscious, and
more aware with everything that we do.
That’s one of the biggest challenges and biggest changes for us as a leader of a remote team. It’s a
heavier lift. It’s a different lift. But it’s a lift that you can make.
So let’s talk about checking in regularly. Number one, more than you think and more than you’re
probably doing now. So the question was asked earlier, how frequently should we be communicating?
Well, I don’t know exactly what all you have to communicate, but more here’s what I will tell you, again,
with a team that is largely remote already, I would call us a hybrid team, most everybody remote, a
couple people come here to what we call remarkable house. We have a whole team meeting once a
week, excuse me, once a month. This week we’ve had two. Next week we’ll have at least one. None of
them were the originally scheduled meeting and we already are doing remote. We’re doing it because of
all the other changes that are going on in the world and how do we stay connected? How do we create
social closeness? How do we stay keeping our priorities set? And all those things.
I’m communicating with every one of my team members more too. So I will tell you this, that for many
years I have a number of connections with team members that is my goal every day. And how many that
is doesn’t really matter. I have 12 remote team members. They don’t all report to me. Many of them do.
But I consider them all on my team. And I have a number in my head of how many people I’m trying to
make an actual connection with and have an interaction with every single day.
In the last two weeks, my new norm is everybody, every day, and I haven’t made it, but I’ve come way
closer to it than I normally did before, even though I am personally busier than I can ever remember
being. And I’m guessing you may be in exactly the same spot.
One of my clients sent 300 people from a office to home in one day. You think they weren’t busy? Yeah,
I know where you’re at and yet this is so critical and maybe you can’t do it every day and maybe that’s
not what the goal should be for you, but it’s more than you think and more than you’re doing now. And
make sure that you please start with non-work. And I would always say this, not just now, we’ve already
talked about all of this stuff, think about thoughts and feelings first. But even before, you want to be
making an interaction, not a transaction, so a little bit more than just work and weather and start there,
or you won’t ever get there.
If you dive into the work first, you won’t remember to come back to the rest. I almost guarantee that.
Right now, when you’re checking in, you want to be checking in and thinking about engaging people’s
change acceptance. How are they doing? Are they accepting it? Are they in? Are they stuck? What do
they need? How much resistance is there? Figure that out so you know what to do with that next.
Fundamentally, we’re checking in for these two reasons, to be a resource and offer help. Where are
people stuck? What help did they need? How can we help them? Hopefully this is what you were
already doing in one-on-ones. You’re just doing it more often with a broader set of topics than you did
before. If you weren’t having one-on-ones before, you need to do all this as soon as you can. If you
already were, it’s time to tweak the way you were doing it before.
All right, and we can use this time when we’re checking in with folks to adjust expectations. Is everything
still working the way we want it to work? How can we work together better? What do you need
differently than what you’re getting now? Let me make another important point right here about this
checking in regularly and expectations. If we set an expectation around, hey, I’m going to try to talk with
you, Sarah, every other day. First of all, I’m more accountable to doing it than I was before, but now
Sarah knows I’m going to talk to her every couple of days. Because what happens right now is, people go
remote, leaders are worried that people are actually doing work or not. Is anything happening? And so
when they reach out to see what’s going on, people feel like they’re being checked up on.
What we want to do is check in without people feeling like we’re checking up, and one of the biggest
ways to change that from feeling like people are feeling checked up on versus checked in with, is to
know upfront that it’s going to happen. Now, Sarah may not love that we’re going to talk every couple of
days. Chances are she’s going to find that’s okay as we do it a while, but if she knows I’m going to do it,
she’s less likely going to feel like I’m checking up, because she knows this is the way we’re going to work.
So it changes the dynamic.
When we do our checking in, one-on-ones, whatever you want to call them, we need to make… That’s
our chance to coach. It’s our chance to coach and give people feedback and help them. And again, the
same thing here, we need to be doing this checking in individually as I’ve been giving examples, but also
with the team, more frequently probably.
And remember, conversation, not PowerPoint. Conversation, not, let me tell you all this stuff. And if you
want conversation, you have to let them talk first. As the leader, if you say, here’s all this stuff I want us
to talk about, any questions? How many questions do you get? Zero. Very, very few. But if you start out
by saying, what’s on the plate, what are the issues, what do you guys need, what do we need to talk
about? And you do all that first, some of the things on your list will now be taken care of and there’ll be
more open to the things that are left, and guess whose ideas the other stuff was? Theirs. If the boss,
where there’s a power differential, does all the talking first, there’s nothing left. And even if they have it,
they’re not going to ask it.
So if you want real conversation, you’ve got to get them engaged first or very early, because the longer
you talk, the less they’re going to, in almost every case. Even more true remotely.
You’ve got to be supportive. The next item on our list. I guess number four out of five, we’ve got to be
empathetic and understanding. We’ve talked a lot about that already. We need to offer help to people.
Help them. We’ve got to listen to people. One of the most valuable things that we can do to build
relationships and trust and show our support, is to listen, not be multitasking, listen, stop doing other…
You can’t multitask anyway. It’s a figment of your imagination that you can actually do it. Which
research I could prove to you with it, and you don’t even need that because you really know it.
The reality is, you know what it feels like when someone’s really listening, so we should be doing it more
than we are and it’s more true remotely than ever. We need to create, and we’ve said this several times,
interaction and not transaction, and we need to be providing people with encouragement and positive
feedback. If you’re not doing that now, you need to do it for sure. If you’re already doing it, then
probably need to do it more than you were before.
The fifth of the items on the list that I gave you earlier was I said we need to grant people grace. Well,
I’m a Christian, so the word grace to me means something that it might not mean to you. And in fact you
might look at that word and say, I don’t really know what that means, or I think of grace as being
something a ballet dancer has.
But so if that word doesn’t connect for you, let me give you some different words that say what I mean.
And that means we need to be giving people more forgiveness, and providing more patience, and being
more understanding, and being kinder. Why? Because everything’s changing. People are working from
home, they’ve never done it before, or they did it one day a week before, or once a month, or when
they had some specific reason.
We are all learning. We need to grant people some grace and give them a chance to figure it out, and
not be so uptight about every last thing. And by the way, Shannon, that will be one of the ways we will
create a little bit more psychological safety too.
This is all hard. Even if we didn’t have the backdrop of COVID-19, coronavirus, whatever you want to call
it, if we didn’t have the backdrop of shelter in place, total lockdown, and all the other fear, even if we
didn’t have any of that stuff, it’s still a huge change.
Now you’re doing it with all of that stuff too. You got to grant people a little bit of grace. And by the way,
we got to do that now more than ever. And it’s not just with our team, it’s with our spouse, it’s with our
children, it’s with everybody around us. The more that we can do that, the better we’ll be and the better
we’ll make it for others.
So what does this look like in actuality? Well, it looks like, here’s one, you’re going to get on a webcam,
you’re going to get on a Zoom call and someone’s cat’s going to come flying in. It’s okay. Someone’s kid’s
going peek their head over and they’re going to… There’s all sorts of memes on the internet now, I
understand, about people having issues when they get on webcams for work on virtual meetings and
the kids showing up and there’s issues, and so the person doing it feels awful and if the boss rolls their
eyes, then they feel even worse. It’s okay. Now if the dog’s barking and it’s been barking for 10 minutes,
we ask them to mute so that we can actually continue to have our meeting, that’s okay too.
But let’s not immediately hammer down on people because they’re trying to figure out something that
they’ve never had to figure out before. So we need to allow people time to adjust. We need to
remember that everyone is learning. We need to be a little more flexible. And I think that if we will do all
this stuff we’ve been talking about for the last hour plus, you’ll be doing pretty well in relationship to all
But I know what some of you are thinking. It was probably what I’d be thinking if I was on the other side
of this conversation. Kevin, wait a minute, we still got work to do. All that sounds really good, Kevin, and
we’ve got work to do. The work remains. Yeah, the work does remain. I don’t want you to take anything
that I’ve said to say that we’re just going to give everybody a pass. I’m trying to put the work in context.
Maybe the priorities shift in the short term, maybe. But if there are deadlines, if there are things that
have to happen, then we got to keep the deadlines. I can’t speak to your specific situations, but I am
clear as I am for me as a leader that there’s work we got to accomplish and I believe the more of this
other softer stuff, some of the softer stuff we’ve talked about that we do, the easier it will be for people
to actually get past that stuff so they can work.
I believe that we need to help people actually focus, because when people can focus… Right now,
there’s so much changing in people’s lives that what they can control is their work and if we can let
them know what we really need to get done by this time and they can get their minds around that and
then get on it, that could be the healthiest thing that could happen for them.
There’s a sense of certainty to that. There’s a sense of surety to that. We need to help people focus so
that the work can get done, but when we do that, they win too. And I can tell you this, while I do not
know the work that you and your team do, I know that for most of us, the work that we do makes a
positive impact on the world, and for many of us, it may make a positive impact on the specific
situations that we’re in right now. Make sure your team remembers how important the work is and how
what they do matters.
When people remember that and they have that to hold onto, that will help them be more productive
and get the work done in spite of the other stuff. We need to find a healthy balance here of course. But
the work’s not going away. I understand that. So we’ve got to help people understand that. We’ve got to
And I want you to remember this, and that is that motion defeats moping. You all know this is true if you
stop and think about it. There’ve been times when you’ve been a couch potato and I don’t feel like doing
anything. But once you get up and do something, suddenly you got more energy, and suddenly you start
getting something accomplished.
Action can change our thoughts. So if we give people concrete, actionable things to work on, it can
change their thoughts. I actually hope that what I’ve done with you for the last hour plus is doing that
for you. Giving you ideas where you say, I can go do that. And it hopefully changes your thoughts,
putting you in a more positive place. You can say, I can go do that. Motion beats moping. And so I hope
that you will keep that in mind. And at this point, I’m going to stop and I’m going to let Sarah tell me
what we’re going to talk about next.
Great, so [crosstalk 01:06:49].
Sarah, I know we’ve told them 90 minutes and I know that I’m just reminding you because we’ve got
probably about five minutes worth of stuff, all this extra stuff, I’ve promised them they’d get to, they
don’t know what it is, that’s still to come. So just help make sure we don’t go past that, okay?
Yeah, we’ll make sure to keep track of the time. If anybody has questions, if you just want to type them
into the question box on your GoToWebinar control panel, and we can answer some of those for you. As
people are typing in their questions, I just wanted to make it clear to the audience, I’ve seen a lot of
questions. People ask me if they’d receive the recording after the session. Yes, everyone will receive a
copy of the recording after today’s session. It will be sent in an email to you.
So let me just, while you’re getting your thoughts together, Sarah. So everybody, that’s a tremendous
service that HRDQ is providing here. And if you’ve been watching this thinking, man, I’ve got some
colleagues, I wish they could’ve heard it. Now you can share it with them and it might be best thing you
could do for them. So please feel free to share it. Go ahead, Sarah.
Yes. So our first question that we have that came in a little while ago was from Julia and she says that
currently her company uses Teams and Office 365 but her niece uses Google Classroom with her
students and she understands that both functionalities are good for communicating with students, but
do you have a preference?
Because of the work that we do, we’re pretty platform agnostic. I own subscriptions to multiple
platforms because we work with different clients and help in different ways. I think the biggest thing is
that at the highest level, pretty much, there are certain tools that can do things that others can’t. But for
the most part, what most of us need are available in whatever tools you’ve got. So I wouldn’t be
spending a lot of time trying to go, oh man, I wish we had that tool instead of this tool. I’d be focused on
learning the tool you got. You might be surprised at how much it can do that you weren’t aware of. I’d
focus more there.
I don’t have a strong… Within the ones that we have, I have a personal preference. The one I like better.
But that’s just personal preference, it has nothing to do with the functionality or its ability for us to get
Mary has a good question.
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-For its ability for us to get work done.
Mary has a good question. She’s asking, do you have tips for onboarding new employees in a remote
I have a lot, but I’ll give you one very specific one because I do that. I onboard people remotely.
Obviously, there are lots of things that we could think about but one is if they’re going to be remote
after they’re on, we need to make sure that whatever onboarding we’re doing includes the things that
will help them succeed being remote; learning the tools and all those sorts of things. Let me give you
something that I have found to be incredibly powerful for us.
When someone joins our team, I tell them that in the first … Now remember, we got about 12 people on
the team currently. I tell people that within the first two weeks once you are here, one of your jobs is to
have a virtual, face-to-face webcam, Zoom call, whatever, with every other person on the team, at least
30 minutes, not about work. In other words, I mandate that they try to get to know each other. Not
trying to mandate that they’re going to like each other. While I would prefer that they like each other, I
don’t really care. What I really … I mean I care, but that’s not my goal. My goal is that they know each
other so that they start to build some connection between each other so that communication can be
improved, there’s some working relationship and trust can start to build because otherwise, they’re just
a name on an email.
And none of that will happen … Some of that doesn’t happen automatically in the office, but it’s more
likely to happen in the office. It won’t happen at all virtually unless you have a really extroverted person
or a really self-aware person unless you encourage people, urge people to do it. And it is literally one of
the most important things if someone joins our team within two weeks. I manage it. Everybody else on
the team knows what that’s about, so they know what those conversations are like and if Charles and
Shannon need to talk about the work stuff, then you talk about the work stuff. Charles needs to know
what Shannon does and how that all impacts what he’s going to do and that’s great. Do that and 30
more minutes or on another call.
Everybody on the team knows that that’s what’s supposed to happen, so they help the new person be
okay with … It’s not wasting time, it’s investing time. So, there’s one thought for you that I personally
find to be exceedingly valuable and has been for us for a long time.
Sandra’s asking … She says she has a great team and they’ve truly stepped up to the challenge. What are
some ideas about appreciating, recognizing and rewarding remotely?
We have a … The instant messaging tool that we use is Slack. It doesn’t matter which one you use. I
believe that everyone, that I’m aware of, has this capability to have a channel or a group of whatever.
We have a channel that we call water cooler. And water cooler is the channel where you don’t talk
about work; where you talk about the stuff that you would talk about at the water cooler or at the
coffee pot in the break room. And it’s no work allowed. It’s just the chance for us to chat.
What ends up happening there is people thank each other, so that becomes a place for us to build
relationships and maintain those relationships. But as it relates to the specific question that Sandra has,
it becomes a place, once people get to know each other, that they’re more likely to recognize and do
that. Should we be doing it as leaders? Sure. But we should be encouraging everyone to do it. That’s not
just on us to be rewarding people for that. We want everyone thanking each other and encouraging
each other and giving each other feedback. Really work to build that culture more than just, “What do I
need to do?”
Certainly, there are a lot of things that you already know that you can do. You can send emails, you can
send … You can’t probably send written notes now because there’s no place to mail them to. But figure
out … You know some ways to do this. Just remember to keep doing it, K?
Charles asks if you could suggest any resources for people who are working from home for the first
time? Some tips or trick on productivity.
First of all, one of the extra bonuses we’re going to give you in a little bit is going to help you with that,
Charles, and your team with that. Here’s the first thing I would do, is I would tell your team, “Hey, next
Tuesday at two o’clock we’re going to have a 15-minute meeting and we’re just going to talk about what
are you doing that’s working for productivity?” Or I’d set up a channel in my instant messaging tool or
whatever way that you can do that to say, “Share your best productivity tip so far.” I could give you a
100 of them. You know a bunch of them, but the challenge is to get the group to share them with each
other because that gives us additional benefits as well.
We talked a little bit about some of the things around email and we can certainly … That certainly would
apply. I will say this, though, about productivity now that I said I wouldn’t get specific. I’ll give you one. If
you’ve got people who are working remote for the first time, here’s the world that used to be. They got
up, they had some routines that they did before they left for the office. There was a natural thing that
had to happen before they “went to work”. And then at the end of the day, they left the office so there
was a natural break. They had start of day and end of day routines. They need start of day and end of
day routines now, too. And there’s a big risk that people bleed the work into their life, and so we’ve got
to help people create some clear boundaries for themselves for the value of them, for the value of the
people in their lives that might be there waiting for them to stop working, for example.
I would say one tip would be help people build better start of day and end of day routines. And I’ve got
some tools for that in the stuff that I’m going to promise you is coming in a couple minutes, too. How
That’s great. Charice would like some tips and tricks with teleconferencing. And more specifically how do
you workKevin Eikenberry:
I’d love to know a little bit more … That’s a big thing.
Yeah. SheKevin Eikenberry:
I’ll give you couple. Go ahead. Go, though.
How to create order when teleconferencing.
Here’s the first thing. Depends on how big your teleconference is. If it’s really large, you can’t have
people … People have got to be on mute like we are here. There’s way too many of you for you to be off
mute. But if you have a small team … The rule on my team, 12 people … The rule on my team is unless
there’s some background noise going on, you’re at the airport or whatever, no mute. Lines are open.
Why? Because I want you all to be focused. I want you all to be paying attention. I want you to all be
engaged in what we’re doing. And it’s just too easy to get diverted if the … There’s no webcam and
there’s no sound, you’re going to be on email. You’re going to be doing something else.
The first thing is you want to keep people … Try to keep them as focused as they would be if they were
all in the same room. That’s the first thing. Minimize mute if you can. You can’t always, but if you can, do
that. Next thing is if I’m in a meeting with people face-to-face and I ask the group a question, I don’t
typically start by directing it to a person. But once people are on a teleconference, and especially
teleconference where there is no video, everyone’s waiting.
If we’re all in a room together, we might be waiting because I don’t know if I got anything to say yet. We
have all sorts of reasons why we might wait. But once we add the teleconference scenario, we get even
more reasons why we wait. I don’t want to step on top of somebody else, I have no visual clues to see
whose about ready to say something, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. My suggestion is, on the
teleconference is, you got to be more directive. Hey, I want to hear from the people in the Atlanta
region. Hey, can someone on the sales team tell me what you guys are thinking? Hey, Janice, what do
you think? Whatever that looks like. Because that gives them opening and opportunity … I want to ask
questions that they have answers to. What do you think? What have you tried? What are your
concerns? I don’t want to say what’s the right answer kinds of questions like we had in school
sometimes; questions as a weapon. I don’t want that. But I’m going to be more directive in asking.
Another thing that I say a lot that I don’t have to say anymore, at least not for right now, is what we
would call the hybrid meeting; some people are together, some people aren’t. And if that’s ever the case
again, or when that’s the case again, you want to ask the people that are out first and then come back to
the people in the room. Otherwise, it would naturally become the people in the room having the
conversation and everyone else just listening in and becoming disengaged. There’s a couple of thoughts.
Great. Maria’s asking that you share some tips about respecting each other’s time. Everything is moving
so quickly now. We receive and respond instantly, but how do we ensure that we protect our time, too.
Yeah, that’s back to that thing about setting clear expectations about timing on emails and stuff. And of
course, it always depends on the nature of your work. If the work that you’re all doing remotely now is
call center work, the replies need to be close to realtime as possible. But if we’re doing other kinds of
work, we need to set clear expectations with each other about that. And I would say that we have so
many more distractions, perhaps, when we’re at home than we did before like our children and like 100
other things that might be going on that I would lean toward trying to batch email in a time. 10 minutes
an hour, 20 minutes an hour, whatever that is. And then let other people know that’s what you’re doing.
What we do in our team is that people don’t expect a response to an email immediately. If they want an
immediate response, we use instant messaging. You can think about how you use which tool for which
purposes to help you manage that, but it mostly comes down to having clear expectations. And I would
encourage you all to think about giving people more time to do real work and then do email or whatever
because otherwise, they never get to their work because they’re always replying to emails. You all have
experienced that, I know. Hopefully that’s a little helpful.
Great. Nancy is asking … She says, “Is there a better practice to manage team communications when
there’s daily changes? Is it better to give daily guidance that will change from day to day that may cause
confusion versus weekly or every three days? Frustration and confusion seems to increase when things
change every day.”
And if they don’t know, they’re worried. Here’s what I know. Gossip is like a mushroom. It grows in the
dark. When we don’t know, we make it up. When we don’t know, we get anxious and we worry. When
we don’t know, it’s not good. The best thing to do is … And of course, I don’t know the specific situation
… But more frequent communication better and say, “Hey, it’s a moving target. This may change
tomorrow. I apologize in advance if it does, but I want you to know exactly what we all know right now.”
I think that’s way better, everything else being equal. I would say more rather than less and just ask for a
little grace and explain that it’s a moving target and that’s the direction I would go. This is what I try to
do and that’s what I would encourage you to do, as well.
Great. Tavner says, “How do you continue to communicate effectively and with empathy with your
supervisor when you’re still the one that has to work in the office?”
I have some clients that had that situation. A couple people are still in the office, everyone else has gone
home. There are all sorts of things that could be going on there and I kind of got lost in the pronouns. I
don’t know which person is who in that scenario as you asked me, Sarah, but let me just say this. The
emotions and the feelings of the people that are in versus out are going to be very different, especially
now. If we’re the supervisor, we want to be very aware and attuned to that and just really understand
where people are at and what their concerns are about that.
If we’re the supervisor, we need to open those lines of communication. And if we’re not the supervisor,
we need to say, “Hey, can we talk about this? Because here are my concerns,” or, “Here’s where I’m
struggling,” or, “Here are where the issues are,” or, “I’m not getting the communication I need from the
people that are remote now because I’m here by myself.” Whatever those things would be. If this was a
managing up question, I urge you to say, “Hey, I need a little time to talk about some of these things
because everything’s different now. And can you help me navigate this a little bit more?”
Great. It looks like we might have time for one or two more questions here, Kevin. Tom asks, “How do
you handle possibly adding new reporting requirements, I.e. time-tracking documents, et cetera?”
With as much clarity as you can. Again, this is a one to several hundred conversation so my first question
would be why are we adding time-tracking? If we didn’t need it before, why do we need it now? It
seems like, potentially … I’m not making a judgment, but it raises a possibility of a red flag that says,
“Somehow the leaders feel like we got to have people track their time now. If we didn’t before, why do
we now?” That would be my first question. But if there’s a good reason to do that, then I would say it’s
like any other change that we’re implementing. We’ve got to have clear communication plan, a clear
understanding, letting people know what the rational is, helping them understand not only how to do it
but why we’re doing it, and that’d be where I’d start.
K, great. We have another question here that says, “What are some ways to coach virtually? My first
thought is to ask more questions and let the employee lead the conversation with their plus/deltas.
What are some other thoughts?”
Turn on your webcam. Absolutely. I am a big believer that coaching ought to be about questions to start
with, anyway. And I completely agree that when we’re doing it virtually that’s even more true. And
coaching is going to be easier if we can see each other. If at all possible, use a webcam. At a minimum,
obviously, the phone. That will depend a little bit on the relationship between the two of you; the level
of trust between the two people. In this medium where it’s one to so many, that’s an awfully good place
to start. But the person who asked the question, you are heading in the right direction for sure. 100%.
Great. I think that will wrap up our Q&A for today, Kevin. I’ll throw the ball back to you.
Hey, I got a few more slides. How about that everybody? The question would be what else? I just want
to say this. That we … And when I say we I mean HRDQU and we, the Kevin Eikenberry Group, are here
to help. And I promised you several things. We’re going to talk about them now. Here they go.
Here they are. Three things. We have a Covid-19 resource page that supports remote leaders in remote
teams. I’m going to to show you that in a second. The second thing is HRDQ is doing some amazing new
stuff. Sarah’s going to talk about that. And I want to tell you about a tool that you might find useful
called 12 Weeks to Being a Remote Teammate. Let’s talk about each of those three things.
The first one is our brand new website. The idea for this came on a Monday, on Monday the 16th.
Wednesday afternoon the site went live. We’re continuing to update it all the time. It is truly meant to
be a source of support for you and your team. A couple things I mentioned today are in here. More on
your webcam, more on those starting and ending the day routine stuff is all in here. What we’ve got is
best practices, we’ve got tips, we’ve got articles, we’ve got audio, we’ve got lots of video, we’ve got
other webinars that we’re doing right now that will be in there complete, we’ve got all sorts of stuff
And we’ve got a dose of fun because we know that everyone right now has got to be figuring out how to
live in this new world and so we’re continuing to provide things to help us get a mental break, maybe
the things we’re going to do with our families. This just came out this morning; the dose of fun thing.
There it is. KevinEikenberry.com/Covid-19. There’s even a place there you can get a free consult with my
colleague Wayne Turmel. You can get 30 minutes to talk about the specific issues in your organization
that you’re dealing with. You can get that. All that’s there. There’s even a place that we’re starting a
brand new way to give you updates from this page moving forward. You can sign up for that with a link
there. It’s all there. We did it with one purpose in mind and that’s to provide people the resources and
the support, both as leaders and as team members, to be more successful moving forward. That’s the
Second thing, Sarah, tell them what you guys are doing.
Yes. Today’s webinar was sponsored by HRDQ Consulting. Let us help you train virtually. You can learn
more at the link you see below, which is www.HRDQ.com/consulting. And you can always reach out to
our customer service team. They’re really lovely over there. And make sure to continue to come back
and check out more webinars that we have upcoming that will help you get through these trying times.
Awesome. The third thing that we want to share with you is something that we have created that … We
being Kevin Eikenberry Group … That we call 12 Weeks to Being a Great Remote Teammate. I want to
tell you what it is. It’s a blended learning approach to helping people who are working remotely,
including leaders because you’re working remotely, too, be more successful. And you can see it’s 12
weeks long. You can see the 12 weeks of what’s in the content each week. It’s a soup to nuts approach
to helping us being more successful as an engaged, connected, remote teammate. Not an isolated
individual, but a true remote teammate. There’s a link down there that you can go to. But let me tell you
a little bit more about it; how it actually works.
The way it actually works is that each week there’s several pieces of video, there are tools and
assessments that you get and each week, if you so choose, you can get a daily, what we call habit set,
piece, which is a daily text message to remind you of what you’re learning and applying that week. We
take a mindset, skillset, habit set approach to all of this. But you may be saying, “Kevin, I don’t want to
wait. I want it all right away,” and you want to binge-watch, so you can get it all on demand and get it
immediately. And you can learn all about doing that. KevinEikenberry.com/HRDQ. And if you want to
think about that more broadly for your organization, you can send us an email. We’d be happy to talk to
you about all that. But this is a partnership between us and HRDQ to provide this opportunity to you.
And if you find it of value, we’d love to have you join us.
The content was created by me and Wayne Turmel, who works with me, co-author of the book. And it’s
some of the stuff that’s in the book that we’re finishing right now that’s coming out next January called
The Long-Distance Teammate.
Why have Sarah and I been doing all of this with you? Well, because the world’s new. Everything about
us, around us, seems to be changed, probably isn’t going to change back. The genie’s out of the bottle.
None of us know exactly what’s going to happen long-term, but we’re going to be where we’re at for a
while and maybe for a longer while. And even if the world goes back to normal, some of this isn’t going
to go away. And yet, the work still has to get done, doesn’t it? It’s got to get done. We got to get the
And you’ve got enough stress and frustration already. That’s why we came alongside you to help and we
believe that you can do this. And so, let HRDQ and let us help you. There are the things that we said
before. I’ve had several people today said that they’re putting that resource page on some internal site
in their organization. I would be honored if you would do that. I’m so proud of the work that my team
has done this week to create that site and we’re going to be continuing to update it pretty close to daily
moving forward. And of course, all the great stuff that HRDQ is doing in terms of virtual learning, both
webinars and more. And then, of course, if you’re interested in that 12 weeks product, we are super
proud of it and we’d love to talk to you about it. Take a look. Take a click, take a look. Rock and roll,
One last thing before we go. I can actually still move my slides. I’ve mentioned this book a couple of time
… So you can actually see … I can see if you can see it. I’ve mentioned this book a couple of times. Here’s
the thing. If you go to LinkedIn and connect with me on LinkedIn, I’m going to put you in a drawing to
win a copy and given as many people that are here, I’ll probably give away three or four copies. And
we’ll put them in the actual mail to you. I will sign them, the people that win. If that’s something that
would be useful to you, connect with me on LinkedIn and you’ll have the chance to win a copy. I’d be
happy to share with you.
Sarah, we said we’re going to go 90 minutes. We’ve gone 91 minutes and 25 seconds. I’m done.
It’s all yours.
Thank you so much, Kevin. This was really a truly great session that we had today. And I want to thank
you all for joining us and happy training.
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Kevin Eikenberry is the Chief Potential Officer of The Eikenberry Group, a learning and consulting company that provides a wide range of services, including training delivery and design, facilitation, leadership coaching, organizational consulting, and speaking services. His expertise includes leadership, teams, and facilitation. Kevin has worked with many major organizations such as Cirque du Soleil, Chevron, John Deere, and Southwest Airlines. In addition, he is the author of many books, including Remarkable Leadership – Unleashing your Leadership Potential One Skill at a Time, From Bud to Boss – Secrets to a Successful Transition to Remarkable Leadership, and The Long-Distance Leader: Rules for Remarkable Remote Leadership. He has twice been named by Inc.com as one of the Top 100 Management and Leadership Thinkers in the world.
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